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“PHOTOGRAPHS ARE THE BASTARD CHILDREN OF ART AND HISTORY”
Interview w/ Steven Kasher, upon the release of his new book 
Max’s Kansas City: Art, Glamour, Rock and Roll (Abrams Image, 2010) and the corresponding exhibition at Steven Kasher Gallery (
http://www.stevenkasher.com; 521 W. 23rd Street, New York, NY, 10011).
According to Andy Warhol, "Max's Kansas City was the exact place where  Pop Art and pop life came together." It's true: there are only a few  places throughout history that perfectly, for their time, manage to fuse  life, art and glamour so seamlessly and cook up such a cultural stew.  Lou Reed, in his afterward to Steven Kasher's new photography book of  pictures from the heyday of Max's, writes, "Thousands of words have been  written about Max's and many more will come." Thousands upon thousands  of words—but if a picture is worth a thousand words, then we're in luck,  because Steven Kasher's 
Max's Kansas City: Art, Glamour, Rock and Roll  has over a hundred photos of the classic club and its cool clientele.  If each picture is worth a thousand words, then Steven Kasher gives us  over 100,000 more “words” on what Reed calls "the all-time hang." In  celebration of the release of the book and the opening of the  corresponding exhibit at Steven Kasher Gallery, Anita Marie Antonini sat  down with Steven Kasher to discuss Max's: the book, the exhibit and the  place that started it all.
Anita Marie Antonini: Tell us about the editing process: How did  you decide what to include? And what not to include? How long did it  take you to do? Personally I would have loved the book to be bigger—I  could have kept on looking after I hit the last page.
Steven Kasher: It took about a year to put it all together. I  started with Anton Perich and Danny Fields, and Billy Name, because I  knew they had done great shots in Max’s and I work with them. Then I  realized that one of my heros, John Chamberlain, was a lynchpin of Max’s  artists. My uncle had been an actor in one of Chamberlains films from  the 60s. I got to be friends with John, and his beautiful wife,  Prudence. And we found some great Chamberlain sculptures for the show.  We added some other artists who were in the inner circle: Forrest Myers  and Neil Williams and Larry Zox. Then we looked around for other  photographers who shot in Max’s. Turns out almost no one besides Anton  did during Max’s first chapter. But during the later Max’s Upstairs  period there were great photographs made of the musicians. Tamar Brazis  at Abrams did a lot of the research for that. She found superb  performance and backstage shots by photographers notorious and unknown:  Marcia Resnick, Stephanie Chernikowski, Bob Gruen, Nicky L, Lily Hou,  Ebet Roberts and more. We couldn’t include all the fine work in the  book; there is much more in the show.
AMA:  Is there a camaraderie that you think still exists today  among artists, musicians, and the glamorous? Or was that a specific  period in time that just could never happen again?
SK: There are scenes and hangouts today that bring visual artists  and musicians and designers together, of course. All over the world.  But nothing like Max’s. It was a smaller art world then, lonelier, less  spotlights, less press, less money. Somehow Max’s became THE place, not  one of many. It stood above the other hangs for years. Things come and  go much faster now. And Max’s owner and impresario, Mickey Ruskin, was a  uniquely hip, sensitive, nurturing, generous, brave guy. He had a  hugely successful bar/restaurant for years but saved not a dime. He let  all the artists run up tabs, pay when they could, or never. Who does  that today?
AMA: There can never be another Max’s, but what do you think is  the present day Max’s Kansas City in this post-internet world?  Or could  something like Max’s even happen today?
SK: Not in New York: the world of artists, musicians, hipsters  here is way too big to get under one roof. And, sadly, creative people  don't really meet, mate, and converse in bars as much anymore. But  somewhere, sometime there will be another Max's. When a big cultural  paradigm shift is in the offing. Maybe when prevailing Western models of  cool are replaced by something from the Far East, or the Middle East,  or Africa.
AMA: What is interesting to me from looking at the book is how  uncomplicated the time period feels which seems in contrast to how  chaotic some of the photos are in the details. The overall content is in  the posture, eye contact and how so much is reveled in those details.  Can you elaborate on that at all?
SK: Good photographs will always body forth the attitudes and  poses, the faces and fashions particular to a time. It was a fraught,  creative, revolutionary time. Max’s was the place where new models of  cool--more androgynous—were coming to the fore and mixing with the  older, more macho models. James Dean, Marlon Brando, Miles Davis, and  Jackson Pollock were being replaced by Lou Reed and Iggy Pop and Janis  Joplin and Andy Warhol. How beautiful is all that cultural turmoil and  revolution—captured in the photographs of Anton Perich, for instance!
AMA: Your gallery focuses on social & historical photography  as well as contemporary fine art photography. Do the photos that  document a period become important because of their historical value and  are they not considered fine art in and of themselves? Or can they be  both?
SK: Photographs are the bastard children of art and history, of  sensibility and reality. Always. So-called art photography is a tiny  subset of the much wider field of endeavor.  Great photographs from that  wider field can become art when they are recontextualized as such. But  they remain also part of other disciplines: documentary,  photojournalism, science, fashion, snapshot, etc.  They cross open  borders back and forth, are democratic and cosmopolitan. I find that  very stimulating, philosophically and aesthetically. As do the many  collectors, private and public, that come to us to find these sorts of  interdisciplinary photography.
AMA: Ephemera adds the nostalgic touch throughout the book. The  New York Rock Drink menu is very entertaining and has a definite 70s/80s  sense of a humor. I would be all for bringing that back. What would  your drink of choice be? And why do you think the Patti Smith was so  expensive?
SK: Entertaining for sure, but I wouldn’t want to drink that  crap. Way too sweet and synthetic, like alcoholic Kool-aid. I’m looking  for a more rye sense of liquor. Patti is generous as one can be, but  never cheap.
AMA: So when can the public look forward to seeing the exhibit/book release?
SK: September 15, 2010
Steven Kasher is the owner and director of Steven Kasher Gallery.  He has put together photography books such as 
The Civil Rights Movement: A Photographic History, 1954-68 (Abbeville, 1996) and 
America and the Tintype (Steidl,/ICP, 2008).  His newest book—
Max’s Kansas City: Art, Glamour, Rock and Roll—features  photographs of the famed New York City nightclub, restaurant and music  venue from throughout the 1970s.  In conjunction with the book release,  the Steven Kasher Gallery will have an exhibition of over 100 vintage  and modern photographs  and large-scale sculptures and paintings by the  inner circle of Max’s Kansas City artists, including John Chamberlain,  Forrest Myers, Larry Zox, Neil Williams, Dan Flavin and Larry Poons.   The exhibition will run from September 15 through October 9, 2010
Steven Kasher Gallery is located at 521 W. 23rd Street, New York, NY, 10011.
LINKS:
http://www.stevenkasher.com
Steven Kasher interviewed by Anita Marie Antonini
Photos by Shaun Mader/PatrickMcMullan.com
Written and Edited by Tyler Malone
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|  John Chamberlain, Dorthea Rockburne, Timothy Greenfield-Sanders, Steven Kasher and Taylor Mead  | 
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| Steven Kasher and Joel Grey | 
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| Atmosphere at the Steven Kasher Gallery   |